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I’m all for free expression, particularly in the arts. I endorse everyone having the right to present their own vision and artistic expression.

 

A lot of people qualify this sentiment by stating that there is a moral responsibility that comes with free expression... using the example of yelling “fire” in a crowded theater. I don’t have a firm opinion on that in terms of what should or shouldn’t be allowed. I do know that many people try to legislate morality and talk about “slippery slopes.”

 

I’ve listened to enough hardcore, horrorcore rap as a result of briefly having dated someone who was devoted to that genre. I could never fully understand the attraction to such overtly transgressive music, although I have my own theory about why it resonates for so many people, the vast majority of whom are males.

 

While I personally find much of horrorcore deeply offensive on so many levels, (it’s an extensive list), I also look around at the reality of the world I live in and I am constantly faced with the multitude and endless panorama of real horrors of a much greater and immediate magnitude. In that sense, getting worked up over brutally misogynistic and violent lyrics and music seems a convenient distraction from facing the truly genuine problems that confront us, but which many of us choose to ignore and instead focus our anger and indignity on distractions... like taking to task a sub-genre of music.

 

Art, like everything else in my opinion, reflects the times we live in. If we live in a malignant culture and world that perpetuates violence, greed and power it’s not so terribly surprising that much of the art of our time will reflect this.

 

Perhaps it works as an escape valve, releasing pent-up societal pressure, I can’t say for sure. I do know, having briefly spent time in the foster care system as a child, that the horrors and indignities of actual reality far exceed any affront to the senses some people may experience from certain types of music and lyrics.

 

I know that many people (generally over a certain age with a memory of different cultural norms) find the inclusion of any “expletives” in a lyric offensive. To them I would point out that the culture has shifted and that today the songs and lyrics by artists who at one time toiled in both obscurity and marginalized genres are now mainstream. I know it can be difficult to interpret, appreciate or identify with a specific genre of music if one is without the cultural touchstones or vocabulary... or is simply unwilling or uninterested in exposing themselves to genres that they instinctively recoil from. But the incredible talent that has evolved just over the last 20+ years across the musical spectrum is astounding, and the opportunities afforded everyone to find and listen too niche artists has exploded... thus so many of these sub-genres.

 

Regarding music with violent content - horrorcore - I’m neither endorsing nor censuring it and/or any overtly violent, misogynistic lyrics that glorify and brag about any type of abuse visited on anyone. I can listen or not, as I choose. (I choose not.)  I am simply affirming that I believe everyone is entitled to the right of free expression. In terms of music, I think the test is ultimately whether performers of all stripes have the talent, skill and ability to present their vision in a unique and well-crafted manner to their audience and, more importantly, whether that audience will respond in a positive manner.

 

Anyway, just some thoughts on music. Tomorrow is the Grammy Awards. I hope it’s a good show!

 

 

 

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The Lyric Police are always on High Alert - HAHA!

 

The PMRC Filthy Fifteen

LISTS

The Parents Music Resource Center published this list in 1985. It is the top fifteen songs recommended to be banned, and their presumed subject matter.

1

Prince

Darling Nikki

sex, masturbation

2

Sheena Easton

Sugar Walls

sex

3

Judas Priest

Eat Me Alive

sex

4

Vanity

Strap on Robbie Baby

sex

5

Mötley Crüe

Bastard

violence

6

AC/DC

Let Me Put My Love Into You

sex

7

Twisted Sister

We're Not Gonna Take It

violence

8

Madonna

Dress You Up

sex

9

W.A.S.P.

Animal (Fuck Like A Beast)

sex

10

Def Leppard

High 'n Dry

drug and alcohol use

11

Mercyful Fate

Into The Coven

occult

12

Black Sabbath

Trashed

drug and alcohol use

13

Mary Jane Girls

In My House

sex

14

Venom

Possessed

occult

15

Cyndi Lauper

She-Bop

sex, masturbation

 

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I think the mention of sex in a song is ok, it's the violence that offends me particularly in rap shit that goes down as a song!

and what about the great tongue in cheek lady ga ga with the excellent poker face, bluffing with my muffin indeed

All the best

Mike

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I don't think any of us have a right not to be offended.

 

I do think we have a right to feed back to those giving offence (and they have a right to ignore our feedback or to take it on board).

 

We also have a right to ignore offensive material and not comment at all (which is sometimes the most wounding feedback of all).

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In my opinion, there does seem to be something behind the promotion of this kind of shock / horror being infused into our culture. It seems to be all around us.

I think we should speak up when we should, and ignore it when we can. Do not buy into it.........not everyone is corrupt :)

At one point, in the early 90's, I came to the conclusion that it was equally as popular, and just as lucrative, to be either infamous or famous.

 

 

This is a good thread.....kudos!

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I guess the problem is the subject header isn't necessarily marked appropriately when it's posted - "Explicit material" or "Maybe considered offensive", or whatever...

 

You then you have the situation where someone sensitive (maybe a youngster) gets  badly shocked by it when they weren't expecting it - when their 'guard' is down...

 

The social media sites face this issue all the time for uploaded 'unsuitable' content.

 

I wonder if there is a way of automatically marking topics so that it takes the burden off our 'Administrator(s)'? - maybe if a post receives several complaints from posters with a good reputation rating, then the subject heading of the offending post could be automatically modified to include a warning...? 

 

Andy

 

 

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I can't do it automatically but it is expected that the poster adds a warning.

 

 

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I AM OUTRAGED!!!!!!

 

But seriously... if we wish to complain, how about all those national anthems for offensiveness?

And how about the entire history of popular music?

And even folk?

What do we understand "The Foggy Foggy Dew" to be about, for instance?

Or "I Gave My Love A Cherry"?

Or even Shakespeare?

(Anyone heard of Thomas Bowdler?)

Quincy Jones recalls that around the age of 20, his first recording with Dinah Wahington was a tune called 'I Love My Trombone-Playing Daddy with His Big Long Slidin' Thing'.

 

What I am saying is that, quite apart from being an untroubling irrelevance, this is not at all a new thing.

 

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I'll never get why people obsess over what they find offensive instead of indulging in what they find pleasurable.

 

Maybe they find pleasure in being offended? 

 

IDK.

 

Peace

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On ‎1‎/‎28‎/‎2018 at 22:23, FrankeeLeeFabian said:

The Lyric Police are always on High Alert - HAHA!

 

The PMRC Filthy Fifteen

 

LISTS

 

The Parents Music Resource Center published this list in 1985. It is the top fifteen songs recommended to be banned, and their presumed subject matter.

 

1

 

Prince

 

Darling Nikki

 

sex, masturbation

 

2

 

Sheena Easton

 

Sugar Walls

 

sex

 

3

 

Judas Priest

 

Eat Me Alive

 

sex

 

4

 

Vanity

 

Strap on Robbie Baby

 

sex

 

5

 

Mötley Crüe

 

Bastard

 

violence

 

6

 

AC/DC

 

Let Me Put My Love Into You

 

sex

 

7

 

Twisted Sister

 

We're Not Gonna Take It

 

violence

 

8

 

Madonna

 

Dress You Up

 

sex

 

9

 

W.A.S.P.

 

Animal (Fuck Like A Beast)

 

sex

 

10

 

Def Leppard

 

High 'n Dry

 

drug and alcohol use

 

11

 

Mercyful Fate

 

Into The Coven

 

occult

 

12

 

Black Sabbath

 

Trashed

 

drug and alcohol use

 

13

 

Mary Jane Girls

 

In My House

 

sex

 

14

 

Venom

 

Possessed

 

occult

 

15

 

Cyndi Lauper

 

She-Bop

 

sex, masturbation

 

 

 

This reminds me of this video clip that I saw telling the story of Dee Snider's testimony before Congress after being named in the PMRC's filthy list. The bit that particularly amused me is where he's being questioned around the accusation that his song 'Under the blade' was about sadomasochism/bondage and he explains that it was written about his guitarist's throat operation. When he's pushed on the point that it could be possible to interpret it as being about sex, he says 'songs allow a person to put their own imagination, experiences and dreams into the lyrics. People can interpret it in many ways. Mrs Tipper Gore was looking for sadomasochism and bondage and she found it.' :)

 

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On 1/28/2018 at 17:23, FrankeeLeeFabian said:

The Lyric Police are always on High Alert - HAHA!

 

The PMRC Filthy Fifteen

 

LISTS

 

The Parents Music Resource Center published this list in 1985. It is the top fifteen songs recommended to be banned, and their presumed subject matter.

 

1

 

Prince

 

Darling Nikki

 

sex, masturbation

 

2

 

Sheena Easton

 

Sugar Walls

 

sex

 

3

 

Judas Priest

 

Eat Me Alive

 

sex

 

4

 

Vanity

 

Strap on Robbie Baby

 

sex

 

5

 

Mötley Crüe

 

Bastard

 

violence

 

6

 

AC/DC

 

Let Me Put My Love Into You

 

sex

 

7

 

Twisted Sister

 

We're Not Gonna Take It

 

violence

 

8

 

Madonna

 

Dress You Up

 

sex

 

9

 

W.A.S.P.

 

Animal (Fuck Like A Beast)

 

sex

 

10

 

Def Leppard

 

High 'n Dry

 

drug and alcohol use

 

11

 

Mercyful Fate

 

Into The Coven

 

occult

 

12

 

Black Sabbath

 

Trashed

 

drug and alcohol use

 

13

 

Mary Jane Girls

 

In My House

 

sex

 

14

 

Venom

 

Possessed

 

occult

 

15

 

Cyndi Lauper

 

She-Bop

 

sex, masturbation

 

 

 

Well call out the guard!! :P My what's deemed offensive. Love all those tunes on the list above, especially Sugar Walls (which actually is about a vagina I believe), We're Not Gonna Take It,  In My House & of course She-Bop (yeah, work it Cyndi!). Hey, I have an idea just thinking on this list now. How about a muse songwriters list of the top 10 PMRC for what's posted here at the site to be voted upon by our lovely muse family (including our very own lyric & song police). :lol:     Would certainly be interesting and potentially fun. 

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Carl, that could be fun for sure. ;)

 

Several years ago, I posted a tongue-in-cheek song (called ‘Chicken of Depression Blues’) here on the Muse. It was about masturbation (female), and it went over very well with Musers. ;) In fact, one of them was so inspired that he jumped on the bandwagon a day or two later by writing and posting a song that referred back to it. ;)

 

 

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I would rather have a free culture where we don't have to worry about people being offended. We try different things, we stretch and sometimes we can go too far for some people's sensibilities. I just pass on commenting the lyric.

=Bob=

 

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Besides, it's not like anyone actually pays any attention to lyrics... :)

=Bob=

 

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1 hour ago, tunesmithth said:

How do you feel about a lyric which seeks to promote & normalize the raping, brutalizing & murdering of women?

How do you feel about a country that seeks to abolish or limit the free flow of ideas, speech and creativity? And who are the arbiters in these matters of expression? Will they represent the vast cultural diversity of a country or will these arbiters seek to legislate their own morality based on their own beliefs, upbringing and teachings? While I disagree with a lot of what I see, hear and read, I don't pretend to speak for anyone other than myself. So I think it comes down to personal choice in matters such as these.

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4 hours ago, tunesmithth said:

Honestly, I'm not a fan of discussions like this.

Why?

Because the concept being discussed is MUCH too vague - "Offensive lyrics"

No offense (pun intended ;)), but what the hell is an offensive lyric?

It's far too easy to defend an intangible.

So why don't we see if we can nail things down a bit? :mellow:

 

How do you feel about a lyric which seeks to promote & normalize the raping, brutalizing & murdering of women?

 

We had one posted on the boards not too long ago, which is why that particular example came to mind.

I'm curios how everyone feels about that specific type of offensive lyric.

Any takers?

 

Tom

 

We have that genre now it's called rap.  I know some will say all is fair in what a lyric promotes.  I wonder if these same people have a line that cannot be crossed. Specifically, a lyric promoting Nazism. 

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4 hours ago, =Bob= said:

Besides, it's not like anyone actually pays any attention to lyrics... :)

=Bob=

 

One of the posts that started this discussion included a music video that was banned by Youtube for pornographic content.  I closed that thread and I would do it again with no hesitation.  I'm not against pornography, I just don't think it has a place here.

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13 hours ago, Neal K said:

One of the posts that started this discussion included a music video that was banned by Youtube for pornographic content.  I closed that thread and I would do it again with no hesitation.  I'm not against pornography, I just don't think it has a place here.

I once complained here about a lyric because of its content and it was rather quickly removed. I regret that now. If moderators remove things on their own, it's their right to do so. But I shouldn't have reported the post and will not do so in the future.

=Bob=

 

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I remember the kerfuffle here surrounding an amusingly imaginative lyric titled "Suck It And See".

Its suppression was shameless and shameful.

We never saw the author again.

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Is there a point behind your post, Tom?

What should US precedent mean for the rest of us?

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I knew there was a change in management here on the Muse when Alistair let me post 'I tell them I love fishing' !  That lyric was absolutely disgusting. 

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16 hours ago, Barneyboy said:

I wonder if these same people have a line that cannot be crossed. Specifically, a lyric promoting Nazism. 

Speaking for myself, I would personally find it reprehensible. However, if you would like to write a song celebrating and promoting Neo-Nazism or one of its bastard offspring you are certainly free to do so.

My personal distaste or objection to specific subject matter should not restrict your right of free self-expression… that, I believe, is up to the courts to ultimately decide.

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1 hour ago, tunesmithth said:

Other than information for information's sake, nothing Lazz.

Phew!!

That's good to know, mate.

I can go back to sleep.

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On 1/29/2018 at 13:18, Alistair S said:

I don't think any of us have a right not to be offended.

 

I do think we have a right to feed back to those giving offence (and they have a right to ignore our feedback or to take it on board).

 

We also have a right to ignore offensive material and not comment at all (which is sometimes the most wounding feedback of all).

I think Alistair said it as well (and as concisely) as it can be said. 

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5 minutes ago, kuya said:

I think Alistair said it as well (and as concisely) as it can be said.

That may well be so, but then he's an old leftie who believes we can all be equally grown-up.

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6 hours ago, tunesmithth said:

At least the one's taking issue with me do.

Aside from that, the original poster went so far as to reference US legal interpretations in her opening post (i.e. yelling "fire" in a crowded theatre)

Tee-hee Tom

But may I take issue?

The root of that reference is to English common law.

It refers to a principle of such apparent decency that you rascals quite naturally emulated it.

This attempted usurpation of its nationalist authorial lineage and ownership, however, is a step too far, sir.

I have written to the Queen accordingly.

 

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On 2/6/2018 at 19:14, kuya said:

I think Alistair said it as well (and as concisely) as it can be said. 

That's very kind, but maybe I was too concise!

On 2/6/2018 at 19:31, Lazz said:

That may well be so, but then he's an old leftie who believes we can all be equally grown-up.

That's less kind - but accurate! :)

 

I could probably post loads about this but I'll try not too!

 

First, as David points out, this is not a free speech zone. It's more of a (hopefully) benevolent dictatorship :) As it says in the Policies, "In general, I reserve the right to remove offensive or inappropriate posts and/or offensive or inappropriate posters. I also give this right to the moderators. Please don't make it necessary. It's not something we enjoy doing but we want to preserve the friendly atmosphere around here as much as possible". I didn't write that. I inherited it when I took over the site, but I do agree with it.

 

Second, this place is not a "safe zone" either. I don't mean that it is unsafe, but I don't see any reason why adults can't be trusted to see and hear content that they may personally find challenging - even disturbing - or that they disagree with or are offended by. Nor does everything need to be "child friendly" (whatever that means!). 

 

What I want is for this place to be tolerant.

 

Of course, that raises the spectre of Popper's Paradox - "Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary, even by force."

 

So, what should be tolerated and what should not? We will all make our personal decisions on these issues but, as far as this place is concerned, I think we need to look at both material posted and behaviour.

 

Material

I guess the more controversial stuff relates to "bad language", sex, politics and attitudes (sexist, racist, homophobic, etc.). With few exceptions (an example would be child porn), I don't see an issue with any of these being posted (though I may have an issue with material that deliberately promotes sexism, racism or homophobia or that incites violence against groups). However, you are asked to either tag anything you think may cause strong reactions or to put a warning in the subject line - as stated in the forum guidelines - and you must be prepared for robust feedback (after all, you asked for it!)

 

Behaviour

We may dislike the content of some posted material and, if so, we can counter it with rational argument. The real question for me is whether it is well done or not - and our feedback should focus on that. However, if we are repulsed, that is also feedback of a kind and there is nothing wrong with saying so, and why. Explaining how the poster is "wrong" is not really feedback - it's just argumentative (but is OK in Off Topic area). Explaining that the poster is "morally bad" is simply an ad hominem attack and is not OK. Explaining how it makes you feel is, I think, feedback.

 

There is a difference between offering a valid critique and attacking a poster. A critique can be savage but will focus on the work itself and is designed to help the poster. An attack is focused on the individual who posted it and is designed to help the attacker to vent his/her indignation. Not everyone is able to recognise the difference, especially when they are offended and the adrenaline is pumping. If you are one of those people, I'd advise you to view an offensive post as something to avoid and to just ignore it - at least until you have calmed down. You are more likely to get into hot water and suffer a loss of reputation than the poster will if you start acting like a troll.

 

I confess, I do sometimes look at some submissions and wonder, "Are they just trolling?". A political rant dressed as a poorly written lyric, for example. Maybe they are - maybe they aren't. Either way, it's best to avoid feeding the troll, so either ignore it or offer genuine feedback - either approach works just as well.

 

To summarise

I do reserve the right to remove material, but I have never done so purely because of the content - yet!

 

I have, however, banned people based on their behaviour. The most recent was someone who was posting truly extreme content (violent, mysogynistic and pornographic, including some video) and I was close to removing it following complaints. However, what tipped the balance was when the member used an existing thread and replaced content with a different, and more extreme, example after YouTube had removed his videos, along with a challenge to try to stop him. I accepted the challenge.

 

That's rare. The most common banning is for continually posting promotional material on behalf of other musicians/bands (people are apparently paid to do this but why they choose to do so here defeats me!).

 

Other bannings usually come about from attacking others and being a general pain in the ass over a prolonged period, and despite warnings.

 

In general, where there is room for doubt, I think we should give the benefit of that doubt and lean towards tolerance - but then I'm an old leftie who believes we can all be equally grown-up :)

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You just had to drag Karl Popper into it, didn't you?

Couldn't bloody help yourself.

Immanuel Kant not good enough? 

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Censorship of any kind is not something I endorse. 
I think Alistair said it the best.

Public broadcasters should have the right to play whatever they want (to their legal extent).
Musicians have the right to put out anything they want.
And the listeners have the right to buy and endorse whatever they want.


I'd much rather live in a society were I get offended at things on a semi-regular basis than a society where people can't voice their own opinions/ideas in-case they might offend someone.

Personally I find songs that use 'fuck' in their choruses to be crass and stupid. You're literally making your songs less listenable to general audiences. Similarly the same that thing applies when singers say too much about 'anatomy'. But I don't think they should be banned.
I also hate songs that call for violence, even in a military sense. But again, that's just my tastes and beliefs. They should still be able to sing write and sell songs about them.

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Freedom of expression is for everyone, even Nazis.

 

I lean toward trusting people, in general, to be able to make their own choices as to whether to accept or reject an idea. I'd rather let people I despise rail on then think of living in a nation with a Taste Council.

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I have always been iffy on a song by the Boss, Bruce Springsteen. A top 40 number called, I'm on fire.

 

It's not as much offensive as it is suss.

 

Hey little girl, is your daddy home?
Did he go away and leave you all alone? Mhmm 
I got a bad desire
Oh, I'm on fire

 

 

hmmmmm okaay.

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Music history has a bit of a back catalogue of this when you look at some lyrics from the past.  "When you were sweet 16" is a song that would never be released today. Young girls have always been an object of desire for many an old rock star. Seems odd how it was accepted for so long.

 

There is a song called Strange and Beautiful, many might remember it being a big hit due to it being the song that helped launch the new Beetle back in the day. It is a haunting, beautiful love song, or at least it seems to be. But I remember when I first learned to play it and actually seeing the words written down it is bloody creepy! 

 

I've been watching your world from afar
I've been trying to be where you are
And I've been secretly falling apart
Unseen
To me, you're strange and you're beautiful
You'd be so perfect with me
But you just can't see
You turn every head but you don't see me
I'll put a spell on you
You fall asleep
When I put a spell on you
And when I wake you I'll be the first thing you see
And you'll realize that you love me
 
 

 

 

 

 

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i think that thing about music thats amazing is the free expression, i think that often times we take in music one way, and if it has too many offensive words were are like, thats too inappropriate thats horrible why would they say that. i think that theres nothing wrong with using free expression in your lyrics because, thats what art is expressing yourself being able to be true to who you are your originality. i think we as a society are so incredibly fixated on the idea of words being offensive or using lyrics that we often lose the image of the whole song or message of the song. but i think free expression is vital 

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On 11/02/2018 at 12:34, Harreh said:

Personally I find songs that use 'fuck' in their choruses to be crass and stupid. You're literally making your songs less listenable to general audiences. 

There are no more "general audiences," (if ever there truly were).  That conceit vanished a long time ago... it's a Spotify world.

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14 hours ago, FrankeeLeeFabian said:

There are no more "general audiences," (if ever there truly were).  That conceit vanished a long time ago... it's a Spotify world.

 

12 hours ago, HoboSage said:

Yeah. Fuck that noise!

 

https://www.hobosage.com/fuck-that-noise

So in my band, the two most commercial songs we have written, both have 'fuck' in the hook.
I dunno. I just find it weird and counter intuitive.

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If it's something that makes me uncomfortable, I'll turn it off and move on.  I've found that with some death metal, rap and hip hop songs--it's usually when a song is about committing some heinous, criminal act.  But I'll turn it off, because I find it is in bad taste.  Simple as that.  No need to ban offensive lyrics.  I have to say there are some hip hop and rap songs where I actually love the groove of the song, but find the lyrics entirely distasteful.  There's plenty of music out there though, so I generally move on.

 

As a parent, however, I appreciate knowing when musical content has explicit lyrics, because I generally don't think my pre-teens should be listening to that stuff, and I'll try to steer them away from it until they reach a certain level of maturity.  I think it's important to make the distinction that while there is no place for censorship, there is absolutely a place for explicit content warnings and even parental controls on children's media devices. 

 

 

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Back in the day romantics songs used lyrics that told the story in away that let the listener use his/her imagination.These days songs  just go all out using 4 letter words and just being very disrespectful. My problem is this type of music is on the radio  and very easy for kids to listen to. 

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It's important to remember that morality varies from culture to culture.  There are few (if any) universally held moral values, and many of our moral values are contradictory to each other.  For example, here in the US it's considered immoral to kill someone, for any reason.  It would be considered immoral for a parent of a school shooting victim to avenge their child by killing the shooter.  Yet our greatest held heroes are people who kill other people in the interest of "national security".  We give medals to people in the armed services for killing other people.

 

I'm in no way criticizing our military, or suggesting it stops killing other people.  I'm just pointing out the fact that our morals are taught to us, by the cultures we live in.  The average homo sapien can be taught that almost anything is "right", or anything is "wrong"; it all depends on the culture. 

 

Expletives are cultural as well.  Take an f-bomb.  If you replace the first letter of the word with the letter 'd', you're referring to a bird with webbed feet that quacks.  It's okay to say the word 'duck'.  And it's okay to say the word 'truck', or 'muck', or 'stuck', and so on.  You can say any word ending with 'uck', as long as it doesn't start with an 'f'.  And why?  Because someone said so, a long time ago.  Someone said, "here's a word you're not supposed to say", and everyone just snapped into line and agreed that we shouldn't say a certain word rhyming with 'duck' or 'truck'.

 

The problem I have with violence in music is that it typically takes the place of any actual substance.  I'd say the same thing about sex.  It's easy to draw someone's interest by talking about sex or violence; those are things humans respond to at the primal level.  It's much more difficult to draw someone's attention with something meaningful and not so animalistic.

 

IMO, the high majority of artists who routinely sing about sex and violence do so because they have no real talent. If they had real talent they'd be using it to create songs with substance.  Think about it...we humans like to believe we're superior to other animals, and then you hear these songs centered around animalistic tendencies like sex and violence.  It doesn't really convince me that these artists (and the people who enjoy their music) are any better than animals.  Chimpanzees enjoy sex, don't they?  And aren't they prone to violence?  So what's different between a chimpanzee and someone who fills album after album talking about the things chimpanzees do? 

 

Our ability to create and appreciate music (and all art) is one of the only things separating us from animals.  It's for this reason I believe it shouldn't be used for the purpose of glorifying our animalistic tendencies.

 

Just my opinion.   

 

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A little tack-on to my last reply.  I've written and recorded a number of songs many people find offensive.  I've used expletives in a number of songs as well.  So I'm not saying that every song should be all "prim and proper".  I just think there's a tasteful way of being offensive, and a not-so-tasteful way as well.  I'm all for offensive lyrics, as long as they're tastefully offensive.  Songs discussing nothing but sex and violence aren't tasteful to me; they're animalistic.     

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        Offensive lyrics are nothing new. I just finished a book called the Whorehouse Bells Were Ringing, and Other Songs Cowboys Sing, by Guy Logsdon.  Great book, by the way. 

         He traces a song still being sung today called the Sea Crab  back more than 300 years in it's current versions and then traces it back even further to Sacchetti in Italy in the year 1400. That's six hundred years! 

         It's about a fisherman who catches a sea crab and brings it home but has nowhere to put it so he puts it in a chamber pot.  For those curious. 

         Imagine being able to write something that still draws a reaction from people 600 years later?  That's the power of music or humor or both. 

          I agree that the same people who limit their vocabulary to ten or twelve variations of nasty cuss words are the same people who have an equally limited range of thinking.  It's almost like an IQ test in the sense that they're trapped in such narrow parameters when most modern languages offer a near infinate way to express yourself creatively, if you're bright enough to do it. 

           I just read online today that IQ scores are dropping, apparently from environmental reasons, so maybe we should brace for more LCD type lyrics (lowest common denominator). It was a study out of northern Europe. 

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