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  1. McLight

    Songwriting: Art? Craft? Business?

    @Jim: thx for your thoughts on this - and I agree that The B are a good example for heaving found a great "fusion" of this 3 parts. However, I don't think it's that "bad" today - or shall I say "that different"? I'm pretty sure lots of great art has been overlooked during the area of The B and there is still creativity becoming well known today. But many things operate now on a much larger scale ... @Oxe: that are some nice definitions you've given. But sometimes I'm not so sure the "borders" between them are that precise. It seems to me they can overlap too. In the meantime I've written a small blog entry about this. Due to my past experiences here I won't post it in this thread. But if you're interested you can read it here: Link to blog entry on Songwriting: Artt, Cratft or Business?
  2. Until now I've worked with professional singers from my country (Austria). But for my next album I think about getting pro singers from the UK or the US. I need a male and a female singer for lead + backing vocals (including vocal arrangements). I expect to receive recorded vocal tracks via the web (eg. ftp-studio-server). I'm looking for places/websites to turn to for a selection of singers. I have done a basic web-search and found some websites (Session Pros, StudioTraxx, AirGigs) - but somehow I didn't find these places very convincing (small selection, confusing presentation or amateurish design ...). Any recommendations?
  3. Maybe this "setting the mood"-issue is the reason why many people can enjoy songs with mediocre lyrics as long as the music suits their taste. A voice, a groove, a melody and a chord progression contribute a lot to setting the mood (and painting a picture).
  4. I like Alistair's description here. In the end you can only "tell". What makes the difference is how you tell it. Take the saying "A picture is worth a thousand words" ... so it's about painting these pictures with words. It will depend on the song/subject/setting wether direct or less direct words paint a better picture. The hook "I can't get no satisfaction" is pretty direct and I'd call it "telling" whereas other parts of these lyrics might be less direct and you could call them "showing" (Yeah - I know there will be better examples than the Stones - but this one came to my mind when searching for a telling-example). So telling works and the showing works. PS: On the other hand I sometimes ask myself how important lyrics really are. They certainly are to me - but to the audience in general? I know this is a matter of personal taste, but perhaps many people are more willing to listen to a song with music they like and poor lyrics than the other way round. PS@Janice: Red Wine is a nice interest!
  5. McLight

    A Song every 2 Weeks

    What matters in the end is wether you touch somebody (be it somebody else or yourself). IMHO all the rest (chord progression, melody, arrangement, sound, style ...) is there for supporting this. How's it going with "A song every 2 weeks"? You're still in it?
  6. @fabkebab: I had another look at this song. There are many (different) interpretations ("Somebody reading a newspaper" - "Drug-Abuse" - "2 songs put together") and I think it's one of the songs you never can really know what it's about, unless the writer tells you. So it might be several different ideas ... or just one ... or just the outcome of smoking pot. (Before I get stoned for the last comment: there's a smiley!!! ) @Dirk: Have you read my lyrics or was this some sort of general remark? In the meantime I've found an excellent mentor who helped me to improve it. Actually I'm no longer sure it's two ideas but one (rather difficult one - at least that was what my mentor said ... ). But I agree with your general remarks. Although the songwriter should remember, that once he's doing something "unusual" the probability of being misunderstood rises.
  7. McLight

    Songwriting: Art? Craft? Business?

    What has changed so dramatically in your opinion? I'm just curious ...
  8. Isn't that about a broken love affair? Sorry, don't get it ...
  9. Thx for all your tips and infos on mentoring! :-)

  10. Tim, you're right - you're description is better than mine and I "feel" it like you've put it.
  11. I hope this is the right forum-section ... I'm searching for a personal mentor who helps me to develop my writing skills. My native tongue is German - my English is not bad ... but it's still a challenge for me to "feel" what my English words create in the head of a listener. When talking a foreign language you're usually quite happy when you know the words, the grammar and other people do understand what you're saying. But I think this level is not enough for writing lyrics in a foreign language that are - well - at least "good enough". How do I find such a person? And what would be a fair compensation for mentoring? PS: I'm currently working on my next album which will contain several songs with lyrics in English. I have no difficulties writing lyrics in English - but I need someone who helps me to understand what they "feel" like and who guides me towards improving them (so that they match my intention).
  12. Thx for providing an example - that's what I was asking for, too. I like the lyrics of your example - however, I'm not sure he deals with two ideas/moods. To me it seems more like one mood ("My heart is broken and I won't admit it"). But perhaps I didn't get it ...
  13. @Danny: thx for the kudos and the links - good stuff! The last one however seems familiar to me ... isn't that pinned here somewhere? Anyhow, I like your story-analogy - that's an excellent comparison (and I definitely like Sting - got almost all of his albums ). Regarding "Hochdeutsch": well, we got both. Casual style and "Hochdeutsch" in German. And it's not linked to the music (too much). There is pop-music with "Hochdeutsch" and other in a more casual style. But the funny thing is that many people like listening English songs. I think (and that's funny) that this is due to being not "distracted" by understanding what's going on in the song - LOL The lyrics you've read have been the third version and one of them was actually "Don't need nothing" ... perhaps I should have sticked to that one. @Adam: 100% agreed. Pattison put it nicely: "I don't think there are rules - just tools."
  14. Neal, I have tried (see the link) and ran into trouble ... that's why I've posted this. What you say is, that when it doesn't work I should give up in that particular case? I hoped to get some input how one can make it work ...
  15. I'm somehow stuck - and it's a basic issue. Usually lyrics will deal with one idea. It's shown in the verse and repeated/emphasized in the chorus. One does not introduce a new idea in the chorus. But what if I want to do that? Let's say I want to use the verses for describing a situation or a problem and the chorus for delivering an idea how to deal with the situation. So the lyrics for the verse could be more on the "negative" side and the chorus would be on the "positive" side. Is that possible? Do you know songs accomplishing such a thing in a good way? I have several song-ideas for which I'd like to use such an approach - but my first attempts seem to go wrong (see e.g. I need nothing). Thx for any help!