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  1. Moso

    President Trump

    A friend who is involved in international organizations sent me this recently. I don't have time to go through it now, but perhaps you guys can get a head start: There is so much misinformation out there about the Trump administration's new "zero tolerance" policy that requires criminal prosecution, which then warrants the separating of parents and children at the southern border. Before responding to a post defending this policy, please do your research...As a professor at a local Cal State, I research and write about these issues, so here, I wrote the following to make it easier for you: Myth: This is not a new policy and was practiced under Obama and Clinton - FALSE. The policy to separate parents and children is new and was instituted on 4/6/2018. It was the “brainchild” of John Kelly and Stephen Miller to serve as a deterrent for undocumented immigration, and some allege to be used as a bargaining chip. The policy was approved by Trump, and adopted by Sessions. Prior administrations detained migrant families, but didn’t have a practice of forcibly separating parents from their children unless the adults were deemed unfit. https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1049751/download?utm_medium=email&utm_source=govdelivery Myth: This is the only way to deter undocumented immigration - FALSE. Annual trends show that arrests for undocumented entry are at a 46 year low, and undocumented crossings dropped in 2007, with a net loss (more people leaving than arriving). Deportations have increased steadily though (spiking in 1996 and more recently), because several laws that were passed since 1996 have made it more difficult to gain legal status for people already here, and thus increased their deportations (I address this later under the myth that it's the Democrats' fault). What we mostly have now are people crossing the border illegally because they've already been hired by a US company, or because they are seeking political asylum. Economic migrants come to this country because our country has kept the demand going. But again, many of these people impacted by Trump's "zero tolerance" policy appear to be political asylum-seekers. https://www.npr.org/2017/12/05/568546381/arrests-for-illegal-border-crossings-hit-46-year-low Myth: Most of the people coming across the border are just trying to take advantage of our country by taking our jobs - FALSE. Most of the parents who have been impacted by Trump's "zero tolerance" policy have presented themselves as political asylum-seekers at a U.S. port-of-entry, from El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras. Rather than processing their claims, according to witness accounts, it appears as though they have been taken into custody on the spot and had their children ripped from their arms. The ACLU alleges that this practice violates the US Asylum Act, and the UN asserts that it violates the UN Treaty on the State of Refugees, one of the few treaties the US has ratified. The ACLU asserts that this policy is an illegal act on the part of the United States government, not to mention morally and ethically reprehensible. https://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/21/us/meatpackers-profits-hinge-on-pool-of-immigrant-labor.html Myth: We're a country that respects the Rule of Law, and if people break the law, this is what they get - FALSE. We are a country that has an above-ground system of immigration and an underground system. Our government (under both parties) has always been aware that US companies recruit workers in the poorest parts of Mexico for cheap labor, and ICE (and its predecessor INS) has looked the other way because this underground economy benefits our country to the tune of billions of dollars annually. Thus, even though many of the people crossing the border now are asylum-seekers, those who are economic migrants (migrant workers) likely have been recruited here to do jobs Americans will not do. https://www.upi.com/Top_News/Opinion/2016/10/26/Donald-Trumps-wall-ignores-the-economic-logic-of-undocumented-immigrant-labor/2621477498203/ Myth: The children have to be separated from their parents because the parents must be arrested and it would be cruel to put children in jail with their parents - FALSE. First, in the case of economic migrants crossing the border illegally, criminal prosecution has not been the legal norm, and families have historically been kept together at all cost. Also, crossing the border without documentation is typically a misdemeanor not requiring arrest, but rather has been handled in a civil proceeding. Additionally, parents who have been detained have historically been detained with their children in ICE "family residential centers," again, for civil processing. The Trump administration's shift in policy is for political purposes only, not legal ones. See p. 18: https://www.aclu.org/legal-document/ms-l-v-ice-plaintiffs-opposition-defendants-motion-dismiss-doc-56 Myth: We have rampant fraud in our asylum process, the proof of which is the significant increase we have in the number of people applying for asylum. FALSE. The increase in asylum seekers is a direct result of the increase in civil conflict and violence across the globe. While some people may believe that we shouldn't allow any refugees into our country because "it's not our problem," neither our current asylum law, nor our ideological foundation as a country support such an isolationist approach. There is very little evidence to support Sessions' claim that abuse of our asylum-seeking policies is rampant. Also, what Sessions failed to mention is that the majority of asylum seekers are from China, not South of the border. Here is a very fair and balanced assessment of his statements: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/oct/19/jeff-sessions/jeff-sessions-claim-about-asylum-system-fraudulent/ Myth: The Democrats caused this, "it's their law." FALSE. Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats caused this, the Trump administration did (although the Republicans could fix this today, and have refused). I believe what this myth refers to is the passage of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act, which were both passed under Clinton in 1996. These laws essentially made unauthorized entry into the US a crime (typically a misdemeanor for first-time offenders), but under both Republicans and Democrats, these cases were handled through civil deportation proceedings, not a criminal proceeding, which did not require separation. And again, even in cases where detainment was required, families were always kept together in family residential centers, unless the parents were deemed unfit (as mentioned above). Thus, Trump's assertion that he hates this policy but has no choice but to separate the parents from their children, because the Democrats "gave us this law" is false and nothing more than propaganda designed to compel negotiation on bad policy. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-democrats-us-border-migrant-families-children-parents-mexico-separate-a8401521.html Myth: The parents and children will be reunited shortly, once the parents' court cases are finalized. FALSE. Criminal court is a vastly different beast than civil court proceedings. Also, the children are being processed as unaccompanied minors ("unaccompanied alien children"), which typically means they are in the custody of the Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR), which is part of the Department of Health and Human Services (DHS). Under normal circumstances when a child enters the country without his or her parent, ORR attempts to locate a family member within a few weeks, and the child is then released to a family member, or if a family member cannot be located, the child is placed in a residential center (anywhere in the country), or in some cases, foster care. Prior to Trump's new policy, ORR was operating at 95% capacity, and they simply cannot effectively manage the influx of 2000+ children, some as young as 4 months old. Also, keep in mind, these are not unaccompanied minor children, they have parents. There is great legal ambiguity on how and even whether the parents will get their children back because we are in uncharted territory right now. According to the ACLU lawsuit (see below), there is currently no easy vehicle for reuniting parents with their children. Additionally, according to a May 2018 report, numerous cases of verbal, physical and sexual abuse were found to have occurred in these residential centers. The report covers earlier years, but I'm including it here to highlight that there are problems with keeping children in large residential centers, even if they are run efficiently and supervised by licensed social workers and counselors. There is an abundance of empirical evidence that shows that residential care, even highly efficient ones, are no place for children, particularly very young ones: https://www.aclu.org/news/aclu-obtains-documents-showing-widespread-abuse-child-immigrants-us-custody Myth: This policy is legal. LIKELY FALSE. The ACLU filed a lawsuit against the Trump administration on 5/6/18, and a recent court ruling denied the government's motion to dismiss the suit. The judge deciding the case stated that the Trump Administration’s policy is "brutal, offensive, and fails to comport with traditional notions of fair play and decency." The case is moving forward because it was deemed to have legal merit.https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-07/aclu-suit-over-child-separations-at-border-may-proceed-judge
  2. Moso

    President Trump

    He’s putting measures into place to undo his decision, or to remodel it. He certainly has reversed his stance. But I see what you’re saying. There is the distinct possibility he didn’t understand the ramifications of his order, although others may have. However, when he was shown what the order was doing, he blamed it on parents and his enemies. It took a lot of pressure to get him to change his stance and backpedal on the position. Other, better people saw immediately the depth of the problem. He first saw how he could use it for leverage. That is an important character distinction. I don’t care about Trump. To me he’s always been a silly, sleazy guy on the sides, a reminder of corruption and how the mind can warp in some with age. I do care that his personality has been validated and sanctioned, that so many people stick up for him. Moreso - that he has paved the way for other sleazeballs to find their way into power in ways they previously wouldn’t have dreamed. The silver lining is that they’re not hiding anymore. Did you hear about the literal pimp that won a GOP primary? He said he followed Trump’s example to win. So anyway, I find it strange that Trump has such incredibly staunch defenders. I shouldn’t I guess, because people are people and people do not necessarily equate with sense (just ask Tversky and Kahneman, haha). ACA turned into a Frankenmess of what it was supposed to be, and needs to be fixed. But then, the entire healthcare financial system needs a complete and deep overhaul. It has for a long time. ACA was supposed to do that, but got mangled into all hell in the process. Do you really want to compare Trump’s lies to other presidents? Actually, I’m sure there are many people who have done that already. Be intellectually honest enough to admit the lies don’t bother you as much as who is telling them. Oh, and Obama in an interview apologized. Said he and his team were wrong, or specifically, he said he had been trying to make things better for people than they were before ACA and he was sorry that people had listened to him and ended up worse. And now for your friendly neighborhood, tearful LOL: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44557186
  3. Moso

    President Trump

    Well, first of all, he lied and lied and lied about it. Except that he was causing all this turmoil for leverage - that didn't appear to be a lie. When he finally reversed the order, it was only because everyone including his own family was breathing down his neck to back off. Personally, I get the impression he didn't have much of a choice. His own cabinet was working against him, and his own wife began to publicly denounce him. (Personally I think her "anti-bullying" campaign was also directed towards him, but that's another conversation.) Second, one cannot say that children are unnecessarily being taken away from parents and simultaneously being treated well. Those two comments do not work together. They are antithetical. Especially when we are talking about younger kids (the article was highlighting literal babies), we're stepping into some pretty Freudian shit there. Unicorns and rainbows need not apply. That being said, if one is of the character to actually believe Trump is a nice guy trying to do the right thing, you may think he's being treated unfairly. I for one grew up with the guy and know very well that he has a long history of abusing people for his own selfish desire, so I tend to not lean that way. The best argument one can make, again just imo, is that he was appealing to what he thought his base wanted. And according to some in this thread, and one earlier BBC piece, that judgement was accurate and scored him some political points. Let's also not forget that immi screwed the pooch on about 20% of their "captured" immigrant children quite recently. They're not exactly all that great at handling this kind of thing. I would have to read back to double check, but I think some of those misplaced kinds ended up with traffickers.
  4. Moso

    President Trump

    Whoopsie daisy... http://thehill.com/latino/393171-michigan-receiving-detained-immigrant-children-as-young-as-3-months-old
  5. Moso

    President Trump

    @DinoRider Here's an article from a conservative-leaning 'zine that is talking about Michigan receiving children as young as 3 months old who have been taken away from parents at the border and are to be put in foster care/processed.
  6. Moso

    President Trump

    Mixed photos aside (you can find more recent photos if you want), that article was discussing a surge of unaccompanied minors being caught and what to do with them. The discussion on the board has been about a recent and specific directive to split families apart with the intention of striking fear/anxiety into both law-makers and law-breakers. This is documented, although some of it may be Twitter history.
  7. Moso

    President Trump

    Yeah, Republican churches started speaking out against him, his own party, world leaders (which probably didn't matter), and then his wife and daughter started speaking out. Well, his wife for sure went on record against him, but he said that his daughter was also giving him a lot of grief over it. But he still had that rooting minority who really don't care what he does. Speaking of these types who staunchly defended it all this time, President Trump himself was just quoted as saying, "I think anybody with a heart would feel very strongly about it. We don't like to see families separated." But that's all just sound bites, right?
  8. Moso

    President Trump

    Oh yeah, and it looks like we just pulled out of the human rights council. Awesome timing.
  9. Moso

    President Trump

    Several red states are pulling their resources from the border. And a number of traditionally GOP churches are separating from the administration. https://www.texastribune.org/2018/06/17/sunday-sermons-texas-faith-leaders-rebuke-trump-administrations-zero-t/?utm_campaign=trib-social&amp;utm_medium=social&amp;utm_source=facebook&amp;utm_content=1529265626 https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/06/southern-baptists-call-off-the-culture-war/563000/ Hell, Methodist clergy are suing Sessions: http://www.umc.org/church-charges-brought-against-sessions.static.html For people talking about hyperbole, don't forget that this was hyped up by T-dog himself. He wanted attention on this, he wanted the exaggerated harshness they implemented exposed, so that he could blame Dems and put pressure on them. We have far bigger issues than immigration to tackle, but this kind of thing really impresses his base, and so that's what the base go for. (See what I did there? Hardy har.) By the way, there are plenty of arguments you can make on this, but "these parents are just using their children as pawns" is an incredibly stupid one. What to do with children of minor law-breakers (and please don't compare them to children of murderers, for Christ's sake -- and I mean Christ, for cryin' out loud...)... what to do with the children of minor law-breakers, and/or if you separate them for how long, or even better how can they be processed as a family <-- these are great areas to find an argument. NOT bundling them all up as a bunch of twisted devils, parents abusing their children for selfish gain. One note on evil, in case some have forgotten, is that evil will use the love people have for each other as a weapon.
  10. Moso

    President Trump

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44461772 So in case anyone isn't clear yet, he intentionally hurts people as leverage, as a business/political weapon. The message is that the pain will stop, he'll stop hurting people, when you give him what he wants. And he isn't going after people trying to break the law, he's going after their children. He's punishing the children of minor law-breakers, tauntingly, and saying it will stop when you give him what he wants. Until then, all of the hurt and the pain is your fault. YOU'RE the bad guy.
  11. Moso

    Is there a North Korean deal

    There are a lot of potential positives here, but as many others have said, even here in this forum, the players involved have a history of talking a lot but not delivering. Especially the Kims. Prudence would dictate to be hopeful, but watch and wait.
  12. Moso

    "That Empathetic Man"

    Tom, did you try playing this one out publicly yet? Hit the streets of Waikiki with it? You know, I played out there about five nights a week every week while I was going to UH. Met some great people. I still miss the snorkeling. I loved the water out there, the sea turtles, eels, those big ol' fish with beak-like mouths -- what are they called again? Anyway, yeah, I played so many friggin' gigs out there. Busy times, cool memories. How's the scene now?
  13. Moso

    Is there a North Korean deal

    I gotta take off for a meeting, but I did a quick look over the first article. I do believe neocon/neolib ~ism has been in full force and needs to be stopped. I think a lot of people wanted that with the Donald, and some of the things he is trying to do may be muddling with some of their plans, but mostly he's just helping them out, whether or not that is his intention.
  14. Moso

    "That Empathetic Man"

    Alright, so we have a good common life theme in here of the battle of a hardening heart in the face of obstinacy and stubbornness with ideals that go against one's beliefs. That's something people just have to face in life, and listeners will take note. It is definitely harder, takes far more energy, to be patient and "empathetic", and many people do give up, at one time or another if not altogether. This character appears to be doing that. He once believed he was a good, caring person, but in hot intentional irony to the title, he now acknowledges and happily/angrily accepts that he's going to be a jerk to some people and harden his heart against them. It's almost like a low-grade war song. The music and singing are both well done. This is a catchy tune, and I think would surely be very popular amongst certain crowds.
  15. Moso

    Is there a North Korean deal

    I remember that one. From this graphic I tend to read AP, BBC, Reuters, The Economist, NPR, WSJ, Al Jazeera... Ah, yeah, Forbes isn't on here. I also like the cartoonist for the New Yorker. But how about any individual reporters that you guys have noted as doing good journalism?