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  1. 3 points
    I don't see any reason why any method needs to end up as "word salad" unless the writer is happy with a "word salad" and stops working on the words. I also suspect that most of us use many methods and approaches to writing a song - and the approaches we like most probably depend on our own motivations, strengths and weaknesses (and our target audience). For some genres or types of song, the lyrics are not so important as long as they fit and sound good. For others, they are key. My ex-wife would never be able to tell you what the lyrics were to any song (except maybe the hook line) - she simply wasn't listening to them because she wasn't interested. I like a good lyric but there are many songs I enjoy that I couldn't tell you the lyrics to or even tell you what they were about. I could dance to them, though (well, I say "dance" but it may not be recognisable as "dancing" per se in my case ) My own preference - the approach that has most consistently yielded something I like - is a bit "monsterish", I suppose. I rarely start either a lyric or a song already knowing what it will be "about". So I noodle. I can noodle lyrically or with an instrument. I prefer an instrument because it somehow lets me access my subconscious more easily. I find something that I like and start singing over it, maybe trying a few different things. These will often be words rather than "la-la-la"s and, eventually, I kind of "happen" on something. I then have a musical idea and the germ of something lyrical. I might at this stage put down the instrument and see whether the thing can take shape. I am then continually picking up the instrument and trying it and putting it down and reworking and so on. I may find that the fledgling song gets boring and needs a change, so I try to work out what that might sound like musically - then lyrically. Structures, melodies, words and the whole "what it's about" can change considerably during this time. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes I write a lyric and then write music for it (but usually end up somewhere different than where I started anyway). Sometimes I have the music entirely and struggle to find the words to fit it - getting started can be hard and I am less likely to change the music (because I find the music harder to change than the words). I know some people start from a drum track. Some approaches are more difficult than others for me (and other approaches might be more difficult for other people) but I don't see any reason why any approach should end in "word salad" if the writer wants something with meat. But sometimes it really doesn't matter (as in "Champagne Supernova" as mentioned by Murphster).
  2. 2 points
    I'll take well-fitting lyrics AND great sounding words - nothing less TYVM.. (BTW - welcome back Justin)
  3. 2 points
    For me the "making a monster" approach always turns into a "making a word salad" approach At the end of the process, I have always been dissatisfied with the lyric I've written. And to be perfectly honest, I can often tell when the lyrics have been created this way. The words fit the music beautifully but the song has no lyrical message. Lately I've been a lyrics-first writer -always with a melody and chord progression in mind - the challenge being to write a lyric that is going to challenge me as a musician.
  4. 1 point
    No, it was you.. I disagree, it was you... Nope, it was you... It was you... Wasn't.... Was... You said.... Didn't.... Did...
  5. 1 point
    Definitely..I prefer really polarised scores for my songs in the song comps than a bunch of 6s n 7s.............8s n 9s n 2s n 3s much better ! Found someone had "rated" my On The Way Up album n gave it 3 stars..Was really depressed about it..Would've much preferred a 1 star if i'm honest
  6. 1 point
    Guilty as charged. While Paul's statement applies to me, I don't see any reason why that process leads necessarily to that outcome. Frankly, my lyrics would be equally terrible whether I started with sounds and shapes or paper and a pencil, so I'd say the final product says more about the writer than the process. I'd also add that, if choosing between potential flaws, I'll take great sounding words with no message over brilliant but ill-fitting lyrics every time. FWIW, I must confess that Dave's earlier addendum to the "monster" method applies to me as well. When I read the quote earlier, I had assumed that the melody was being crafted at the same time. Phew, that was a great weight off my chest.
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    A guy I know wrote a whole series of 'songs about a song'. After a while, I kept thinking 'is this a new song or just one of the old ones rewritten?'
  8. 1 point
    Well... I thought about it for a couple minutes and, oddly, the 2 songs I could think of are related. 1) Sweet Home Alabama... while it doesn't mention a song directly... it does have the famous "dis" on Neil Young in response to "Alabama". Which makes you think there are probably a lot of "dis" rap tracks that reference other songs. Tupac's "Hit em up" comes to mind. 2) Kid Rock's "All Summer Long" samples Sweet Home Alabama and references it in lyric
  9. 1 point
    Hi folks Rita Rudner joked I think County and Western music is so wonderfully clever, all those different songs seem to manage with the same tune All the best Mike
  10. 1 point
    It's excellent in my thoughts. Changes to cityscape and mountain lines are much better. I urge you to change the botanas back to tapas. Unless the viewer is well versed or familiar with Spanish I don't think they will know that "Botanas" are appetizers unless advertised with the parentheses the way you have them at the end of the line in question. Might want to keep the familiar Spanish words that all the Gringos will understand. The exception to that, the Cervantino Festival. Aren't "tapas" which many around the world are familiar with from Spain? Is the name the same in Mexico? or Is there a local variation there under a different name in Spanish? Haven't been to Mexico in a while. (Looks up Tapas) Ah! Yes, I see they are also in Mexico. I know they're in Argentina as I have been there more recently but didn't realize they're in Mexico too. Cool Another thought on 'surrealism'. I like it, but you didn't start off with "surrealism", which suggested to me you might have wanted some variation of it and thus you arrived at "surreality". How about: "Where surreal art is found". ? Just a thought. When you have music for this please share! Looks like a wonderful place.
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    Hi good vidio nice sound and well sung 'n played it has a nice easy listen to it 10/10 All the best Mike
  12. 1 point
    Very nice listen. Soothing sound and well produced video.
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    I have really been wasting so much brainpower counting syllables on my fingers all this time. You are so right on that, why am I not counting stresses? I mean I like to think I do when putting pen to paper, but I know damn well I am always counting syllables. Thanks. That alone is food for thought. My mind is whirling at the moment, and it is funny you mentioned Yesterday. That song is famous for Paul having wrote it in a dream and when he first played it he sang "Bacon and Eggs". I call it Bacon and Eggs writing, because that is how I write. I write music first and then find words, but in order to write the melody I just sing nonsense, sometimes not even words, just noises. The weird thing is so much of my stuff sounds better with the nonsense, as soon as I try to write words I tend to lose something. Is it the stresses? Am I too focussed on syllables? Maybe, something to think about. Excellent post Alistair, really informative. Gonna have to start paying attention to these blogs now. Some great stuff here.