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Yes, you are likely right on that - I should probably set up a page.

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15 hours ago, Alistair S said:

Really not sure about the "pro" thing.

 

First, if we were going for it at all, it would be good to get a number of voices rather than one voice (who would likely speak from one perspective, with one set of ideas).

 

Even then, what is a "pro"? "Pro" songwriters would be reluctant to engage, as they could open themselves to plagiarism accusations (performers would also likely struggle to find the time and do many non-performing, professional songwriters exist anyway?).

 

Of course, there are those that set themselves up as "pro" critiquers, but the main thing that sets them apart is that they charge for their opinions or for their books. Yes, we could allow them to use the site to promote their services but I'm not comfortable with that. I'm also not convinced the feedback would necessarily be better, either (though I must admit, I don't know how many members provide in-depth crits these days - or how many people really want them!).

 

I'm sure there are some great critiquers out there and it would be good to get them to join us but, in my (admittedly limited) experience, those who describe themselves as "pros" have been a very mixed bag. It would need to be someone who genuinely wanted to help - and they would need a thick skin because, sadly, some people don't react well to criticism!

 

 

Valid points, Alistair.

 

But just on the off-chance a couple of ‘pros’ were willing to take part on a gratis basis, and members here were interested in a ‘pro’ critique, I can say that my own – and others’ - experience (with Harriet Schock and later with Alex Forbes) was entirely positive.  Both are experienced songwriters, and have been in the business for a number of years. Both have written with performing artists, and have won awards. At the very least, a pro with ‘street cred’ could bring a unique and informed perspective to his/her critiques.

 

It’s true that not every member here might want his or her lyric or song looked at through a microscope. But that’s easily resolved.

 

If I remember correctly, on the forum in which Harriet took part a few years ago, a separate thread was set up where folks could post their lyrics if they wanted Harriet’s critique and were open to a ‘both barrels’ approach.

 

Once she had selected a lyric, a thread for it was opened, and other forum members were also free to provide feedback. After a couple of days, Harriet would post her own assessment. It was fun to see to what extent her observations were similar to or different from those of the forum members who’d given input. All in all, an interesting learning experience.

 

Maybe a poll could be taken on whether members would welcome having a pro select and critique a different piece of work every once in a while.

 

Albeit the hard part would likely be in finding someone with ‘street cred’, and who’d be willing to give up a two or three hours of their time every couple of months (every month might be asking too much). ;) 

 

Anyway, just random thoughts to keep or sweep. ;)

 

I think the site works well as is. ;)

 

Donna

 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, DonnaMarilyn said:

Albeit the hard part would likely be in finding someone with ‘street cred’, and who’d be willing to give up a two or three hours of their time every couple of months (every month might be asking too much). ;) 

Exactly that!

 

And it's about it being the "right" person. I have a (maybe irrational!) fear that this may be a bit like the way I feel about politicians (anyone who wants to do the job is probably not the right person for the job!) :D

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I absolutely get that. :P 

Anyway, there's already some decent critiquing done in the Lyrics and Songs sections here. And plenty of good books available on the topic of songwriting. ;) 

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Perhaps it's my aging eyes, but that silver text on the dark-green background isn't readily visible (*refer Below).

I just messaged my contest scores to Paul & had a hell of time spotting the "message" tab.

I know it's a small thing, but I figured I'd mention it. ;)

 

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Nope...viewing it on a relatively new high-def 23" Dell monitor screen / Windows 10 via Edge.

I've also viewed it on my employers' system...looks pretty much the same.

 

Tom

 

In case I wasn't clear in my earlier posts, it's the member preview window that I'm referring to...the one you get by hovering your mouse over a member name or phot on the boards.

 

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Ah! I see where you mean now! Yes, that's a bit hard to see. 

 

Now, the question is whether I can find the setting in the theme ... (it isn't obvious!).

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I second tunesmithth on the gray on green text....Could be I'm an old fart tho..lol

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On 4/4/2018 at 12:57, Alistair S said:

Let's face it, most of us are old farts :(:(:( :ph34r:

I prefer to think of myself as a fart that has been reasonably well preserved by the cushion it was deposited into.  

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I'm sure the variety of farts around here is endless (but most are old). And we also have ladies. They are all fragrant, of course.

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At least the good news is that I think I've made it a bit more readable

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OK - I made it through all the suggestions

 

What is the heart of your question? Are you concerned about declining interest? Is it about making the site more cosmetically appealing? Is it about trying to add value to the site for existing users?

 

 

the wide world seems to be absolutely swarming with pie thrower type songwriters. "Here is my song" +  a link to soundcloud. They share their song and thats it. Nobody comments, and the songwriter never offers anything but their latest drop.

 

In that respect the muse caters to a different type of online persona - A muser joins because they are less driven by clicks and more driven by cliques :-) 

 

 

 

 

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Good question, Fab. I'm not actually concerned about anything other than engaging with what the community wants.

 

What I'm interested in is the community aspect (though I'm less interested in "cliques"! :) ). I'm interested in how we help people who ARE interested in the community to get the most from the site by getting rid of things that get in their way (or by adding anything that they would like and that we can do easily - without destroying what is good about the Muse).

 

I'm looking to enhance rather than to transform.

 

I'm interested in what people here would like - and this is just an outlet where they can make suggestions. So I guess it's about adding value for existing users (and, to that extent, it helps me discover what members would actually value - rather than simply adding more bells and whistles!).

 

Hope that makes sense.

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Yep - then the only comment I have has already been mentioned - the collab competitions! (which I missed this time)

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We should do more - I agree!

 

It's the thing I always enjoyed most on the Muse!

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I'm "stealing" a post of Neal's to paste here, both because it's incredibly interesting and will serve somewhat a little idea I had. While Neal suggests he won only one contest in the below formula, those of us following the thread know he tried it on 11 contests, and placed in all but 1, I think, and won first place in 5. It's quite informative: 

1 hour ago, Neal K said:

Here's the formula I followed in my 2014 experiment to win/place in the lyric contest: 1) Each lyric was story driven; 2) the story was easy to understand and to relate to; 3) they used imagery (show, don't tell); 4) there were no wasted words or forced rhymes; 5) they contained sympathetic characters that people could relate to and that I cared about; 6) each story had a resolution that was designed to elicit an emotion, be that happiness, sadness, joy, depression, etc.

 

That, my friend, is the formula.  I'm so confident that this works that I bet you I could coach you into placing 1st, 2nd, or 3rd in a future lyric contest.

 

Neal

 

If there are enough people interested, I wonder if a "technical" group blog of sorts would be useful, a "How It Was Done", though with maybe a more interesting title, haha. Now, the group sound design blog is only puttering along, but maybe if we ask Musers, upon hearing their work in any forum thread, something along the lines of "How did you do this/that? Would you care to explain in the group blog?", that could build up a very interesting and useful/informative blog section that over time could potentially become a gold mine in its own right. 

Of course, people would have to play along... 

 

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Sounds like fun.  I'm a little hesitant to talk about how I do things because 1) it might sound like boasting; and 2) I'm not entirely sure how I do things.  But it could be interesting.

 

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Heck, it might become a series of how happy accidents happened, but even then (perhaps even moreso then), it could rock. 
EDIT: And whether or not it sounds like boasting I would think is in presentation. And anyway, we all have something to teach. They might not be things that no one on the Muse knows, but surely they'll be things that some Musers could benefit from. And to boot, it could bring up lively conversation involving different approaches or uses to the matter. 

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On 4/11/2018 at 12:00, Moso said:

I'm "stealing" a post of Neal's to paste here, both because it's incredibly interesting and will serve somewhat a little idea I had. While Neal suggests he won only one contest in the below formula, those of us following the thread know he tried it on 11 contests, and placed in all but 1, I think, and won first place in 5. It's quite informative: 

 

If there are enough people interested, I wonder if a "technical" group blog of sorts would be useful, a "How It Was Done", though with maybe a more interesting title, haha. Now, the group sound design blog is only puttering along, but maybe if we ask Musers, upon hearing their work in any forum thread, something along the lines of "How did you do this/that? Would you care to explain in the group blog?", that could build up a very interesting and useful/informative blog section that over time could potentially become a gold mine in its own right. 

Of course, people would have to play along... 

 

Yes. This.

 

I was actually listening to a song earlier and I was thinking of posting it to ask exactly that. How was this mixed?

 

This is the things I really want to know, how was something mixed and why. How can I replicate a feeling, or sound in my mixes. 

 

Something that I can understand as well. Because while I have all the tools in Logic Pro, I don't really understand. So when I google it and read how-tos I get confused by noise gates and filters. And I am by no means a stupid man, I work in technology, but I would love a real walk through with examples and soemthign like this would be awsome. I want to hear Moso, Scenes, Hobo and the others how they make their songs sound so bloody good.

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I've set it up - it's here

 

Let me know whether I have the right idea! Of course, it will only work if people use it :)

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4 hours ago, Murphster said:

Because while I have all the tools in Logic Pro, I don't really understand. So when I google it and read how-tos I get confused by noise gates and filters.

LPX user here, as well. Migrated from PT years ago and never looked back. 

On the subject of filters, I'm not much of a synth guy, but some months ago, I decided to learn about them, and realized that LPX was perfect. My personal notebook is now filled with sections all about learning the synths in Logic. In the process, I learned a lot about synths themselves, including filters. I put a rough learning order as: 

ES M > ES P > ES E > EFM1 > ES1 > Retro > ES2 > Sculpture > EXS24 > Ultrabeat > EVOC 20 > Alchemy

 

I never "finished" Alchemy, and don't really think you can. It's huge. But for learning purposes, it has additive, spectral, and granular synthesis. 

 

Regarding the new group blog (and thanks @Alistair S !), I think that if there's something we want to learn, we should ask specifically. As in, "Hey Scenes! I love this! How did you get that sound at 1m22s with the xxxx instruments?" Or something like that. If we're lucky, they'll make a little blog entry and others can jump in for discussion. If we're super lucky, they'll include a little audio clip with it. 

 

Some might not want to say anything, however. The may not want to type, or they may feel like they're sharing "secrets". (Or that they would be "exposing" themselves and lose some magic in the process.) Hobo for example seems to be a pretty private guy when it comes to his music. On the other hand, he may like the idea of teaching everyone the ways of the Hobo. 

 

Personally, I think the more we share, the more we all grow, including the people sharing. 

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You can also use the new blog to pose a question. People may then be inspired to try to answer it! 

 

Let's move those Q&As off here (where they could be lost) and start using the new space and see how it works!

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